vs. .458 Lott• 7mm Rem. I've owned .35 Remington, .358 Win, .357 Mag and MAX in various pistols and rifles but never a .350 RM. Though I got my Ruger in .358, I note the “run” was short … Nov 12, 2010 #8. weagle Senior Member. My latest Whelen has a 26 inch barrel and weighs around 9.5 lbs with scope. Some think that the cartridge is only good as a short-range and woods round, but it is adequate for any North American big game. 760 Remington 243, 300 Sav & 308 358 Winchester. 338 Federal vs 308 Winchester vs 358 Winchester: What You Need To Know 35 Whelen: The Poor Man’s Magnum America’s “Other Levergun” by Glen E. Fryxell, The Great Model 8 & 81 by Richard Jones, Bullet Frontal Area List , by Chuck Hawks, and the Lyman 50th Edition (p309-310) and Hornady 10th Edition (p682-683) reloading manuals were used as references for this article. Especially if you consider that most published data that I found for the 358 Winchester … Depending upon the bullet, expect at least 200-300 fps more from the .358 Win. Looking for previous installments of our "Head to Head" series? Coef.=.282) - I have just received in the mail 100 of these pointy 200 grainers (200 PSPCL - see pic to the right). These spire points are a tough big game bullet and should be capable of being used on big bear at magnum levels up to 3000 fps MV. 300 yds probably stretches either one, but they are both certainly capable if a person familiarizes himself with the trajectory and practices enough. The.358 Winchester is the least powerful.358 when compared to the.35 Whelen and.358 Norma, but that’s not the whole story. Its also why I have a Whelen instead of a 358 Winchester or a 350 Remington Magnum. There were numerous .35-caliber rifle cartridges born in the 20th century, but most of them didn’t live to see the dawning of the 21st century. Come join the discussion about hunting, fishing, survival, archery gunsmithing, optics, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! The 358 Winchester, The Bull Of The Woods . The relationship in performance between the .358 Win and the .35 Whelen is similar to that between the .308 Win and the .30-06. The best "more than .35 Remington" chambering for the TCs is the .358 JDJ. I was afraid the 358 would have a lot of bump to it as well as fall a bit short of the 308 possibilities...I also have a couple thousand 308 rounds in match and hunting configuration that sway me that way.. considered the 7 30 waters and the 7mm -08 and the 270, but first : I don't have another gun in those rounds; second : the 308 can do more things in more situations, and third : I just like 30 caliber bullets in long guns, though I have killed a lot of deer with smaller diameter bullets from 243 through 277 and 284. they all work, it is just the 308 does what I liked about the old '06 : DRT every time with the exception of one time, ever for me...and that was a less than good shot.. still got the buck though after a little tracking job and a finisher at about ten yards for safety and kindness. The Official Word on Rechambering the Marlin 336 Rifle from .35 Remington to .356 or .358 Winchester By Barr H. Soltis. But the 358 will do it with less powder, shorter actions, shorter brass, and shorter barrels than the 30-06. It was introduced in 1955 by Winchester and chambered in their Model 70 rifle as well as the Model 88 lever-action. While I’m a fan of the .350 Magnum, I definitely feel a rifle with a barrel of at least 22 inches will give the best performance; those 600 and 660 carbines—while they have their own devoted followers—just don’t do the cartridge justice. Needless to say, the original release of the .350 Remington Magnum was a flash in the pan. For some reason that defies explanation, the thirty-five caliber rifle cartridges have all … thks tiggere & ken : I appreciate the comments. I have always owned at least one .35 Remington T/C over the last 25 years and love the cartridge, but there have been times when a bit more power would have been nice. The club boasts … Powder ALL Accurate 2015 Accurate 2230 Accurate 2460 Accurate 2495 Accurate 2520 Accurate 5744 Alliant Powder Reloder 7 Hodgdon Benchmark Hodgdon BL-C(2) Hodgdon H322 Hodgdon H335 Hodgdon H4198 Hodgdon H4895 Hodgdon … I can say that the .350 Remington Magnum—at least in the rifles I've shot—will definitely let you know it’s a magnum, especially from the bench, but its recoil can be managed by most shooters. With the right bullets it is not far behind the .308 in field performance out to 250 yards. Aside from the wildcats and obsolete stuff, there are the 35 Remington, 356 Winchester, 358 Winchester, 350 Remington Magnum, 35 Whelen, and 358 Norma Magnum. By this time, the Whelen crowd is screaming at the screen, “Why not just shoot a Whelen and solve all the problems?” There is a certain attraction to those stubby .35s; they offer plenty of power in a compact package, and there is certainly room for these cartridges in a highly-competitive market. Not surprisingly, the company dropped the Model 71 just two years later. I'm not after lighter weight, since that means more recoil. The .358 Winchester was not merely a deer/black bear cartridge; it gave the .35 caliber fans a cartridge valid for all North American hunting, including big brown bears. Bullet Type Primer. The.35 Remington uses the 180- and 200-grain.358″caliber bullets, and while light-for-caliber, they are effective at the ranges a.35 Remington is used, which is usually inside of 150 yards. Case capacity is about the only real difference. Single Shot 223,243,270,06,308 to 357 Maximum, 358 Win or 35 Whelen I love them both, have … Which is the more useful cartridge? It wasn't long before Winchester took the cartridge and necked it up and down, resulting in the 1955 releases of the .243 Winchester and—on the other end of the spectrum—the .358 Winchester. A 200gr .358 pill @ 2100fps is no slouch. It’s a big improvement over the.35 Remington, slightly more powerful than the old.35 Winchester, and … The concept of a magnum-level cartridge in a short-barreled rifle usually doesn’t work out, as the additional velocity that the magnum cartridge is designed to achieve is lost in the short barrel. It ain't a beanfield rifle. The .35 Rem. and .35 Whelen and a RIM which is really nice in TCs. Just like with factory ammo, there are a BUNCH of different .308″ bullets for reloaders to choose from. was simply a .308 Win. It was later offered in the classic Savage Model 99 and may still be available in the Browning BLR. Take a look at the list of .35-caliber … vs. .300 Win. in a 14" Contender. The .358 Winchester uses the same .358″ (9.1mm) diameter bullets as other .35 caliber cartridges like the .35 Remington, the .35 Whelen, the .350 Remington Magnum, and the .358 Norma Magnum. 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Hammer Women Of Distinction Award, Women's Wildlife Management / Conservation Scholarship, National Youth Shooting Sports Ambassadors, NRA Outstanding Achievement Youth Award Presented by Brownells, National Youth Shooting Sports Cooperative Program, .25-06 Remington vs. .257 Weatherby Magnum, .358 Winchester vs. .350 Remington Magnum. He is a big fan of .35 caliber cartridges, and was looking for a short, light rifle, but was torn between the .358 Winchester and the .350 Remington Magnum. The 358 Winchester round would be developed in 1955 by the Winchester firearms company and would be developed from the 308 Winchester cartridge. So which of the short .35s make the better choice for a prospective buyer? The .358 Win. While we’ve experienced a wave of short magnum-mania over the last two decades, the craze actually began in the mid-1960s, when Remington released in the .350 Remington Magnum and 6.5 Remington Magnum in 1965 and 1966, respectively. Pistol; Rifle; Cowboy; GR. Both cartridges will have issues with the longer spitzer bullets, as the magazine limitations won’t allow those bullets to be seated out far enough so the case mouth is on the shank of the bullet. Among the .35 caliber cartridges popular in the United States, the .358 offered a definite step up in performance; the .35 Remington—that popular woods rifle—is much slower than the .358, and though the .35 Whelen has been among us since 1922, it would remain a wildcat until 1988. Used Savage 110s in .243,.308 are common and inexpensive. Based on the belted Holland & Holland case shortened to fit in a .308-length action, Remington released the pair in the Model 600 bolt-action carbine, and later in the Model 660, both of which had barrels on the shorter side; 18.5″ and 20″, respectively. Bolt Actions 223,243,270,06,308 to 338 Federal, 338-066,358, 9.3 X 62 Mauser or 35, 375, 400 Whelen, 350 Legend. The best "more than.35 Remington" chambering for the TCs is the.358 JDJ. In the past, the 358 Yeti has been compared by many to the 35 Rem cartridge in terms of performance but the actual numbers I have been personally experiencing (using Shooter's World Blackout powder) puts the Yeti real close and in some cases squarely in the 358 Winchester range. Both cartridges are an excellent choice for bears of any species when loaded with the heavier 250-grain bullets, and make a good choice for the larger species of African plains game. I do believe that the 358 Norma is too much in the 338 Mag class to be of much use. For a .35 Whelen, start with a used .270 or 30-06. It has a case capacity between that of the.358 Win. Ken W. also indicated the Ruger 77 had more room [length] in it's action and magazine for bullet seating compared to Remington's 600/660 and even the 700 … vs. .300 WSM• .223 Remington vs. .22-250 Remington, E-mail your comments/questions about this site to: EmediaHunter@nrahq.org, For questions/comments about American Hunter magazine, please e-mail:Publications@nrahq.org, You can contact the NRA via phone at: NRA Member Programs1-800-672-3888, To advertise on American Hunter, visit nramediakit.com for more information. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. It created a round more powerful than the .35 Remington and .348 Winchester. But (for now at least) if your buying ammo 338 fed is the way to go as being new(ish) ammo can be found where 358 is right hard to come by. With a longer barrel, the cartridge delivers ballistics which are knocking on the door of the longer .35 Whelen, albeit in a shorter, fatter cartridge. Components are readily available, but factory ammunition is as limited for the .350 Remington as it is for the .358 Winchester. I'm after longer range and greater wounding potential. It has a case capacity between that of the .358 Win. The cartridge is relatively easy on the shoulder, is available in a fast-cycling rifle, and while ammunition and rifles are definitely limited, owners of the .358 Winchester sing the praises of the cartridge. My good pal Dave deMoulpied has a Model 700 Classic in .350 Remington, and we’ve handloaded for that cartridge for well over a decade, achieving sub-MOA groups from 200-grain Hornady InterLocks, 225-grain North Fork softpoints, and 250-grain Hornady round nose softpoints. But it will perform well in the pines and oak flats. Mag. Then if he needs to hunt larger game or shoot at longer ranges the .358 can be loaded up. Although its case is smaller, ballistically the.358 Win. The.35 Remington is one of a family of cartridges that were designed for the Remington Model 8 semi-automatic rifle released in 1908. The 1952 release of the .308 Winchester sparked a short-action revolution; it compared well with the .30-06 Springfield in the game fields, and came in a shorter package that hunters appreciated. .. the 7mm-08 is a little flatter...little faster...with less energy (obviously .30 vs. 7mm)...but it allows you more options in bullets so you can tailor it to suit your needs...I don't reload and to be able to get factory ammo is very important...BTW Remington also has a factory 120 grain load available...gonna go get a couple boxes from BPS tomorrow to play with as they are "seasonal"... A forum community dedicated to the great outdoors and hunting enthusiasts. Mag. Of the two, which serves the hunter better? My .358 Rem 700 started as a .243 Win and thanks to this forum I sent it to JES and have been happy as can be. in a 15" Encore vs. the .35 Rem. It offered as good or better energies than the .348, and the .358 was housed in a modern lever-gun built to accommodate scopes. Another benefit is that this round … 270 & 30-06 35 Whelen. .35 Remington - Manufacturer Loading Data. This wonderful efficiency of the .35 calibers is especially remarkable when one considers that most all of these rounds are verging on obsolescence today. They would develop the 308 in the 1954 time period. Accordingly, both of these cartridges are best served with spitzers which have shorter, steeper ogives, or by round-nose bullets. in that Encore, for greater versatility. Both easily give 3000 pounds of muzzle energy with many loads. It was Saturday, January 17, 2009, when I made my usual trip to the Sweede Road Rod and Gun Club located in Pigeontown, PA for a little range work. The .358win is also efficient, but in a handgun? Thompson Center Handguns Sponsored by Ed's TCs, Blackpowder Mortar & Cannon by Seacoast Artillery, Hand Loading Rifles & Handguns by Diamond K Brass, VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter, Suite 901, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Components are readily available, but factory ammunition is as limited for the.350 Remington as it is for the.358 Winchester. better hold on tight. It kills with authority at your average deer hunting distances. will easily kill any hog that ever lived. To appease those hunters who wanted more punch, Winchester offered a necked-up .35-caliber version of the .308, the .358 Win. Get one and send to JES for a .358 Win rebore. The 243 Winchester and the 358 Winchester are both developed from the 308 cartridge design. Surviving .35-caliber cartridges introduced as factory offerings include the .35 Remington (1906); .356 Winchester (1980); .358 Winchester (1955); .35 Whelen (1987); and .350 Remington Magnum (1965). 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